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That’s the opposite of exclusionary. Anyone can be part of any list they choose to identify with.

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seks — Sun, 09 May 2010 10:08:49 -0000

"What level of control is appropriate for a given information source?" And since you're obviously not going to please everybody, should you err on the side of openness, or on the side of caution?

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Mary Pace — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:51:17 -0000

My only regret in all this is that I've been so busy with my "day job" that I haven't had time to get immersed in all that's happening with your Twitter Packs! I read your post, went out and made an edit and have completely missed out on all the goings on... my bad for sure.

But I must say, I truly appreciate the idea and hope I get to reap the benefits. I've been twittering for a couple of months now, but pretty aimlessly. I'm hoping the Twitter Pack will point me in the right direction! Thanks Chris.

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Eric Rice — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:24:48 -0000

I love the meta of the conversation, especially in the context of quotes with the vibe 'oh what's the big deal are we in high school' because it illustrates (not wrong or right, not calling people out, it's a very real emotion there) a part of 'social' ________ that has nothing to do with technology but human-ness. You can't solve prejudice with software.

It's like the top 8 on myspace, kinda like having to pick your favorite child. Who's gonna be pissed off they didn't 'make the cut'?

Ask people with differing opinions on 'mommy bloggers'.. Some wear that like a badge and others avoid it/despise it like the plague. Now if that's not part of 'social' I don't know what is.

We must include the nasty side of social when talking about it in order to be all-inclusive. Cliques and in-crowds and idols and enemies are just as real as community, networking, bonding, connections and collaboration.

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whitney — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:16:25 -0000

even if someone "mis- categorizes" me, i think it may lead to interesting conversations and of course you have no obligation to follow them back.

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Ontario Emperor — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:51:49 -0000

Chris, I want to thank you for replying to my question regarding your derivation of the term "pack." In my geekier days, I used twenty-sided dice, rather than cards, to play my games, so I wasn't aware of the term.

I think that some of the fear that arose from this wiki was the fact that we were perceived to have lost control about what people said about us. Theoretically, I could go into the wiki and put Chris into the "black lesbian Dodgers fan" pack, and no one could prevent me from doing so.

I took a step back and thought about this more generally, and asked myself, "What level of control is appropriate for a given information source?" And since you're obviously not going to please everybody, should you err on the side of openness, or on the side of caution?

After thinking about it, I concluded that we'd be better off erring on the side of openness. Yes, someone could label me as a black lesbian Yankees fan, and I'd have to remove it. But that's better than having a moderated, controlled group calling me a black lesbian Yankees fan, in which I wouldn't have the ability to correct the record.

One note: if you're wondering who edited what, you can review the information at http://twitterpacks.pbwiki.com/changes.php. I couldn't find a link to this page on the wiki itself, but it does exist (a similar page exists for the Twitter fans wiki, which is how I knew to look for it).

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Ike Pigott — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:25:19 -0000

@meg -- well, it's not a *real* internet debate until Godwin's Law is invoked.

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Meg — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:12:08 -0000

I think it's really funny that people need to bash each other either way for making salient criticisms OR supporting the whole endeavor. When I shared my thoughts and people rushed to bash what I was saying or make snarky little remarks, I was like... what? Are we adults? Are you serious?

Why does discussion on the Internet need to be so sarcastic and belittling? I mean, I know why, but man... for the "future of social media", we sound more socially awkward than anything.

I'd love to see a discussion happen that didn't involve immediately defaulting to the "bitch" setting.

Just a thought.

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vicequeenmaria — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:21:36 -0000

Oy vay. Are we in high school again? Are the geek girls jealous of the cheerleaders? Are the jocks bullying the nerds? LOL!!!

I don't see Twitter as clique-ish at all. You join and your community grows organically, but ... you have to do your part to be social. Do you fit into all the groups of people you meet IRL?

Who cares if you only Twit with 4 of your nearest and dearest or have a following of 400? The app is there to use as *you* wish.

And come on, groups of people who communicate on twitter with each other (I prefer to look at them as flocks) are NOT like some underground cabal plotting the end of the universe.

This was an interesting sociological experiment, to be sure.

I think it's cool to see twitters by geographic location. It helps to "place" everyone.

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Ike Pigott — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:20:13 -0000

Funny you should mention that, Jennifer. Shannon and I had already been working on that solution together. Please remove me from your "clamoring and whining" list and move me over to the "helping and improving" list.

That said, I'll throw another idea out for the group. If you want to help others jump into Social Media, that's a laudable goal. But others could use this same concept to subvert the system. There's more than a little backlash against feed stats garnered by those select few that got into certain Google Reader packs a while back. It's an appearance of influence with little real value.

I would promote any tool that makes it easier for people to do what they want with a technology. But those who are *really* serious about getting others to understand Social Media need to put the disclaimer out there: NO ONE CAN DO YOUR WORK FOR YOU. It would be a disservice to all of us if companies and individuals came into these communities with the expectation that someone else can do the heavy lifting. Do we want Amalgamated Industries waltzing by and buying 3 bushels of Twitter, and 5 cords of blogging? When it becomes too off-the-shelf, it becomes too commoditized, and those entities are doomed to make big mistakes.

Let's cultivate an expectation that it's about communities of people, and not about quickly assembling something that resembles one.

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Jennifer Leggio — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:31:01 -0000

I thought from the beginning and still believe that Twitter Packs are a great idea. I read some of the commentary that people wrote who were against the idea, and part of me felt that they were against it just for the sake of opposition. Or, perhaps, there was a frustration from certain self-proclaimed social media "gods and goddesses" that they weren't at the forefront of this effort nor could control it. Who knows. Regardless, kudos to you for actually developing a way for communities of people to come together, and leaving it to them to do it in a way they want.

I think this is a case in which you can't make everyone happy. It's not as if you are limiting people to only one category. I, myself, have put myself into four. And in only one day I met some phenomenally interesting people I otherwise wouldn't have met.

The only complaint is that editing the wiki and adding oneself and others to categories is daunting, but Shannon Whitley came up with a great idea for fixing that (http://www.voiceoftech.com/....

I think that rather than the Twitter community at large clamoring against a directory, they should be working together positively to try to improve it.

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whitney — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:15:36 -0000

It's funny- I tried to get on a few times yesterday, to edit, but could never get a lock to do it, so I gave up, figuring I would try today or tommorrow.

This past weekend I was at a wonderful conference, and I found a whole new subset of twitters to follow i never knew existed. I love the mash up nature of twitter for me- I have marketing friends, "real life" friends, associates, education types, creative types,people I barely know, and others I have a great relationship building over time, because of what their interests are and what they share on twitter.

What the brou haha here tells me from a sociology POV is that people take their self-identity with different communities and subsets very personally, but some other people may see them as part of larger groups or categories.

And let's face it- tweeterboard, twitterposter and other things like that are essentially doing the same thing as Twitter packs, but with less information on the outset.

The internet never ceases to amaze me with its ability to connect, and it's ability to alienate. The speed at which we can build and destroy something. The reactionary nature, and people's lack of patience to see how something develops over time before making blanket declarations of Good or Evil. Time does cure a lot, and we can't expect something to be instantaneously perfect, (especially on a wiki). So before getting on your judicial robes, sleep on it, and see if what was true yesterday is still true today.

Patience is a virtue. Acting like children who don't get their way and having a tantrum is not. If you decide to take all your toys and go home, and let something this silly drive you away from all the good of twitter, that's your choice.

And above all, the conversation of how things evolve over a short period of time may be the most interesting part of this in the end.

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Nicholas Butler — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:45:11 -0000

Chris,

When Sara Nicole ( a new user of twitter ) asked about where were the Starter Packs we kicked of the conversation at Podcast Boston and from there created the Social Network Starter kit.

What surprised me was the amount of people who just dumped on the idea as not being sensible or feasible. At the time I applied to the Rule of Two Feet to them and suggested that a large group wanted to build a list so why dont we ?

I confess that the wiki caught me short since it wasnt clear to me on several readings that the password and invite key had been posted on the front page. Honestly I kept seeing it and not reading it .. Screen Dyslexia if ever there was. So of course I felt excluded ( not at all what you intended or planned ) but I liked the list and I saw a value in it.

The List the Pack didnt fail there were issues raised by others but the list itself was a grand plan.

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pkontopoulos — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:43:27 -0000

Since twitter has decided to keep its service very basic and straightforward (at least for now), I think it’s more than welcomed and waited that a lot of “satellite” services will soon flourish around it. Personally I prefer to have alternative ways of viewing information since I believe it’s the only way to discover things that otherwise could be missed. So, I am pretty Ok with lists, directories, search, tag clouds and even more radical ways of representing data that’s why I really like Digg Labs.

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mdy — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:07:24 -0000

@Ike - any improvement is always welcome, IMHO. I hope some of your ideas will come to fruition, since everyone will benefit.

I can't speak for Twitter, but it's been my impression that it's their philosophy to keep the service simple enough so that it's usable on as many mobile phones as possible (in other words, usable via SMS).

As of today, we don't even have a way to update our Twitter profiles via SMS, much less add tags to our profiles. I, for one, am looking forward to the day they when that feature becomes available.

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amypalko — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:44:27 -0000

OK, I've only been a part of Twitter for a week now, so I guess I'm in the demographic that Chris set TwitterPacks up to help. And you know what, I did find it helpful. Extremely! Want to know how I used it? I looked at each pack in turn, clicked on the names, scanned down their tweets and made a decision about whether or not I wanted to follow them. After deciding who I was going to follow from the pack, I then checked out who they followed and so on. In other words, it acted as a way in for me to what had first appeared a rather bewildering prospect. I'm assuming that was its purpose? Anyway, that's my 2p worth...

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Ike Pigott — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:16:50 -0000

@mdy - Yes, but if it were a tag that one deliberately identified, it would cut down on some confusion.

Also, I'm not just carping without a solution. I've got a couple of ideas that might marry the best of all worlds:

1 - Opt-in interface that doesn't just scrape passive data.
2 - Self-selected tags that are controlled only by you in your profile.
3 - Easy interface for mass-adding (or removing) new Twitterzens to follow.

It might happen...

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mdy — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:12:14 -0000

Most people probably know this already, but I figured I'd point it out...

If you want to search for people based on info they put in their profiles, there's no need to wait for special tags. It's already possible to search for any word in Twitter profile.

See http://terraminds.com/twitter and make sure you use the [Search in Users] button instead of the default [Search in Updates] button.

[Search in Users] will search through Twitter profiles only and ignore updates.

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gj - acomputerpro — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:53:13 -0000

I don't understand all this commotion. I made my own Twitter Pack a long time ago, way before I signed up for a Twitter account. It sat there on my workbench, next to my Mac IIfx, for years. I had no idea what to do with my Twitter Pack and almost threw it away several times. Now, I finally have a chance to use it. Unfortunately, this juncture seems to be yet another pickled herring.

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chrisbrogan — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:34:25 -0000

“If no one is pissed-off with you then you are dead but just haven't figured it out yet.” - Tom Peters.

I'm not upset or angry, and I'm so very thankful for all the various opinions. If we all agreed, this would SO suck more.

But did we LEARN? I know I did. Were you surprised by things you learned about this? Did you see anything differently? (You don't have to answer here, but hey... weird, eh?)

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Meg — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:25:25 -0000

When you launched, you and I chatted a bit in the Twitter timeline and then via DM about specific categories I had issues with -- more specifically, those that had nothing to do with location, vocation or interests, but rather value judgments: the visionaries, the friendlies, the sweethearts, the randoms.

Is anyone going to add themselves to those packs, or will they just hope that someone else does... and then get disappointed if their popularity doesn't make the grade?

Those were the weird spaces in the whole thing for me. For example, I think establishing six people as the "friendly" people on Twitter is just completely bizarre.

There are gazillions of friendly people on Twitter, and finding the ones who fit you is part of the experience.

But we ended up agreeing on all this stuff. I just wanted to leave a long comment. :)