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I can not imagine how deep your DM box must be with this garbage and the amount of followers that you have. Mine is deep enough with a small percentage of your community.
@cdn
Otherwise, I agree the third party app use of Twitter is annoying. But as with auto-DMs, I assume people know what they're doing, and I'll simply unfollow if annoyed.
Otherwise I figure it is just going to send out one of these spammy tweets.
Twitter is free. We get the kind of security and communications quality we pay for. (Maybe they're flooding us with spam now so they can offer us a "premium" spam-free option later... along with all the other actually useful services they've dialed down or retracted completely, like archiving, etc...)
The Twitter spam you mention is very Facebook-like. But I dont see how Twitter can stop it -- can they really prohibit, ban, or block some Tweets over others?
You're just totally right. I had to clean dozens of followers to have a proper streamline. Now with my about 350 followers, my Twitter doesn't look like my Hotmail inbox anymore.
Anyway, please, keep on. Twitter needs people like you :)
I have a question: so what exactly does it mean when I access a third-party site and click "allow" to connect to my twitter account; that they can then send stuff like this to all my followers? Or did these people send these to you themselves via third-party sites?
I don't have a huge following but I DO check my list to weed out the crap.
Thanks Chris. Keep strong!
@onlyinitaly
¡Saludos! Hope Mexico is/was fun.
Julio
I stopped allowing those now.
@Dirkmshaw
These "status updates" from applications is one of my major gripes about Facebook too. Sometimes it lets you "undo" it, but not always and it doesn't always tell you it is posting somewhere. There are way too many apps that do this (most of which I ignore).
If people want to DM you, they can send you an e-mail, right? I don't auto-follow everyone who follows me (but then again, I am a nobody) and I don't expect anyone I follow to auto-follow me back.
You follow ~87,000 people, you are bound to get spam. Being popular sucks.
Make sense?
My point isn't just about me (never is). My point is that this is when Usenet stopped being interesting and we all quit that.
It's not happening fast enough. Not for me. FOr the sake of the service.
But...You ARE the service. Like I say, if it's not happening fast enough, don't complain, offer a solution (which I see you did). If it's as simple as blocking access to the API ports for certain users, perhaps using your clout (which you do have) to reach @biz & @ev or the dev team is something you should consider. I have a feeling it might be a touch more complicated than that. But I don't know for sure, so it can't hurt to ask.
I have been spammed recently by the same nonsense message every 2-3 minutes. Twitter says to follow @spam and send them a DM with the user name of the offender(s). I followed @spam but waiting over 24 hours for them to follow me back so I can DM them. We need quicker response and support from Twitter to resolve these issues. I feel like my reputation is at stake even though I had nothing to do with the spam - just having my username in the tweet makes me cringe.
However, I stick with it because of those few people, who like you, are offering up great and informative tweets. I would say that amounts to about 3-5% of folks I initially followed. Speaking of which, time to go weeding..
@charlottehrb
This is exactly what the early free email services (hotmail, yahoo, etc) discovered: spam protection is an essential part of the service. If you can't protect your users, they will leave.
Twitter should be agressive and proactive: Nip it in the bud now, while it's relatively small. Wait, and they will be facing the same multi-million-dollar annual spam-fighting costs as the ISPs.
You've identified a unique form of Twitter spam: using the @name of someone famous just to draw readers to your feed. It's spam at its worst - because it tries to use the form of personal communicaiton for impersonal promotion.
Good news is that Twitter has been good about shutting down accounts if you report them to @spam
While I agree with your ire against spammers, I think you need to pull back and look at this with a cool head. Like you, I was also dropping people left and right and going with the Block button on people telling me how to increase my numbers and to play Spymaster. (Since when did Twitter want to be Facebook.)
Then i got spammed by Julia Roy (@juliaroy), the hostess of Tweet Week and a really sharp cookie on Twitter. I respect her work and her word, and knew this was NOT her, so I pinged her and asked "Did you know about this?" She didn't. Turns out a LOT of people are becoming unwilling spammers on Twitter because of the Social Media Carpetbaggers who are trying to earn a fast buck and win attention for themselves.
While it is easy to blame the SMCB's I think we as a community also need to be more careful. Twitter has shown that even THEY need to be more careful ("Password" as your server's password? Come on, guys....), but we also need to be wary of sites that....
1. promise followers
2. offer tests for Twitter
3. invite you to play a game
--- and the big'gun ----
4. ASK FOR YOUR PASSWORD
Unless they are tried and true online utilities (i.e. TwitPic, 12seconds, etc.) we must be wary and watch carefully our own feeds. This way, things like this can be avoided. Additionally, I think we as a community need ot step up and do just that: Be a community and watch each other's backs. That's what a community does, and that is what we should do. Report malicious spammers for Twitter and to each other. If a spam tweet is received by someone you know and trust, ping that person. Let them know something is up. The cost of Twitter's success is the SMCBs that crawl out from the muck and slime, and pull shenanigans like this.
So to quote an old favorite from the 80's..."Let's be careful out there."
Yes, my point above isn't to unfollow the folks who are using the tools (though I also do this often from frustration), but rather that Twitter might seek to monitor their API users and allow me to point out bad 3rd party apps vs bad users to @spam.
Comprende?
I think Tee's point is very well taken. Twitter is so new and people are so unfamiliar with it and all the apps built around it, that they hardly know what to look out for. And frankly, Twitter's made it easy to build apps that new ones are cropping up every day.
Unfortunately, the culture of social media has numbed people to question what it is that they're submitting their log-ins/information to and the security of all that information. Twitter has an SSL log-in. How many people know this and use it. I just, at this very moment, discovered that Facebook has this option too...but who thinks to use it? We're all on wireless devices now with packets of info flying everywhere. Why aren't people more concerned about the security of their information? If we were, we might be a little more cautious about using 3rd party applications to begin with.
I also like Tee's suggestion about using the community vigilance to do good. Maybe a board or collective resource could be put together to identify current spam scams to look out for or something like that. Might take a few minutes more than hitting the block button or reporting them to Twitter as spam, but could it help the greater good?
I humbly submit that in my app, any tweets sent are totally at the discretion of the logged in user. (Doesn't send DMs, just plain tweets.) A full disclosure of the tweet is displayed and the user must click a button to send it. A person will only send the tweet if they like the product and want their followers to try it. That's how real life word of mouth works.
Developers who abuse the trust of users by these tactics are just shooting themselves in the foot.
Especially as Twitter becomes more and more mainstream we will always have people who abuse "the system" by either lack of tweet etiquette (genuine newbies who don't know any better...yet) or those whose sole intent is to spam, spam, spam in hopes of profit.
Like you said, a continual onslaught of "junk tweets" can really make you rethink a bit more about the value of using the social media site. It can only benefit Twitter and will definitely benefit the end user...US!
I hope that through of mix of users reacting and not giving any support to this as well as Twitter itself recognizing the impact of this garbage that things will hopefully start to mellow out. *fingers crossed*
-Steve aka @implu
Auto DM spam, irritating. Potential loss of access to my industry's leaders, unacceptable.
When I was new to Twitter you were one of the first people I followed. Truthfully, I didn't really "know" who you were, but I found your content to be extremely valuable; I couldn't figure out why you followed me back, but I appreciated it. I was still in the listening without conversing stage, when I read an @reply in which you referenced your follow policy. Ah, mystery solved!
I've used your example in my own profile management, because it makes sense to me.
Here's the deal - because you followed me back, I have been able to DM you with a question or two. You have always answered, and the information has been very helpful and time saving. I value this access, and I'm frustrated that Twitter has endangered it by their slow response to DM spam.
I'm not a fan of auto DM's for any purpose, let alone for spamming. I don't use automation in any of my Twitter interaction; it just feels wrong to me. If I send a message - it's me, in real time, typing and choosing to @ you. I'm small enough that I have this luxury. I don't DM information about anything unless I have good reason to do so. I choose not to use 3rd party sites so that I can avoid this very thing. I hold the owners of these profiles accountable for the results of their 3rd party involvement - but I also hold Twitter accountable for protecting their platform - maybe they'll get on that, huh?
You're opening yourself up to spammers. Choosing manually who to follow has a better success rate for stopping this crap. I don't think I've had a bunch of spammy messages in a while.
By the way, not sure if this NY Times article helps or hinders the cause.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/twitte...
-Steve aka @implu
Twitter should disallow the use of their API for any automated tweets even for helpful services, like MrTweet. A robotic tweet is just so useless and cluttersome, regardless of the intent.
Spam is the reason I'm an early adopter and drop when everyone catches on. Just saying.
Right now, Twitter has NO PLANS FOR REVENUE. However, they are allowing 3rd party to use the API for this purpose. Thing is, the spamming thing is how Twitter might plan on making a revenue.
This is why I don't follow everyone who follows me. I "follow" those people via my Google Reader. If it's a private account, then I think how useful is their information to me before hitting the follow button.
Thank you for speaking out about the unfortunate abuse of the Twitter culture that placed a premium of connecting our humanness.
Hollis Thomases, @hollisthomases and I are also seeing another abuse and the term that best describes it is "tweet-jacking".
Users are posting tweets without citing the originating blogger's name, blog name or Twitter handle. Their action appears to be an intentional action to mis-lead others. I have seen many who also appear to ignore the blogger's "Re-Tweet" button.
Here is Hollis' post: http://bit.ly/zRawH
URL blocking is too simplistic and won't solve the problem. API's must be licensed and monitored for the community to judge how much or how little value is added to the community. People who abuse the API should be banned. People who do things that add value should be rewarded! API access should not be free to everyone, it is after all a privledge to utilize private property, it's time the private property owners treated it as such.
Thanks Chris for the post!
I've had very little to post at Twitter since creating an account, frankly, and yet I've had to block a multitude of followers. I can only imagine how you high-number-of-followers work to screen things out.
Ironic how these productivity and communication apps become large-scale distractions in short time...
It's all pollution, Chris. Glad you're beginning to see it.
If you claim you don't, please re-read your own post above in 2 years ;)
whats worse is this group does not even show up on my twitter computer page (just the following count) and are on my Iphone only, when I go to find them on the site.. they do not turn up.. this is becoming annoyinbg a time consuming
Before I read this post I had already started implenting theis unfollow process on my twitter account. It has never made any sense to follow everybody back & realisticly have a genuine connection with thousnads of friend/follow ratio. To me it's way more powerful and effective to have a smaller group of very valuable friends vs thousands of very superficial follows just following you for the flippin hell of it! In my book, you just earned a ton of respect points for having the courage to stand up for whats right. Thank You!
http://idaconcpts.com/2009/11/04/twitter/