Seeming plagiarism can also happen accidentally, especially if you have a really particular niche. If a lot of people are writing about the same kind of stuff, especially if they tend to agree with each other, it's not at all unlikely for some of them to say the same things as each other sometimes.
That may not be what happened to you, but it's happened to me before. I once wrote an article that was freakishly similar to the work of someone who I'd never read anything by.
Anyway, just something to keep in mind. Thanks for your blog.
Ike Pigott
· 1 year ago
Man... David Armano is going to be LIVID when he finds out that Darren Armano is copying his site! (Not to mention that hack Rusty Armano...)
Jane Quigley
· 1 year ago
I think that probably happens more than you know...and it sucks each time. Karma will get things right in the end - maybe they'll acknowledge the debt to you in other ways.
BTW - love the new look!
Michael Tefft
· 1 year ago
I really enjoyed the article. There are very few who have completely orignial ideas, except maybe Plato, Aristotle, Rene Descartes, etc. If I didn't borrow at least a little from others that I have read I don't think I would have much to write about on my own blog. BTW, I Dugg your article.
Sonia Simone
· 1 year ago
I think the "accidental plagiarism" thing gets very easy when we swim in so much information (sleep deprived half the time).
I am very, very Seth influenced, and probably talk about him/quote him/link to him enough that my readers are thoroughly sick of hearing about it.
Another muse I never talk about (and I should) is my friend Cynthia Heimel, who's a kickass writer who started to influence my voice before I ever met her.
That and every snarky GenX girl on The WELL. We made a ferocious little tribe, back in the day.
Kat
· 1 year ago
i've seen this and not just with your blog in all kinds of places
yes yes sometimes it just happens etc kumbya
but if folks think that no one is out there trying to hitch and skip? that's just silly.
here's where it goes wrong though when you use a photocopy machine the image gets less and less quality so you can cut up parts of something add something new and make it yours fair but if you stop adding anything of your own you'll end up with a shitty watered down version of nothing new it might look cool when you flash it around quickly and talk it up but really it's just a crappy photocopy of other people's stuff ie. you suck man and your cover is blown or will be it all comes out in the wash like a bad stain
Ben Kunz
· 1 year ago
It's very upsetting to find plagiarism (and not riffs). If anyone wants the heartache, take a paragraph of your own writing that you especially like, copy and paste it into Google, and when you hit submit anyone in the world who has copied you will be exposed. We recently found 4 web sites that had copied language from our agency site directly. Argh!
At first, this made me angry. But like you, Chris, I calmed down and realized, plagiarism is at heart a form of flattery. It's not noble, but reflects that the idea you created has been adopted by someone else. As naughty and un-nice as may be, it is a mild form of success -- that other minds now are filled with a thought once called your own.
Darren Armano
· 1 year ago
For what it's worth, David Armano is a whiner. Thank goodness you've got Darren here to set things straight!
:-)
And Ike, leave Rusty out of this!
Rick Mahn
· 1 year ago
Well that makes me a bit self-conscious about some of my posts. I'll admit that Chris is one of my inspirations as I forge my new online presence. Some of my posts might seem similar - sure hope they're not that similar!
At any rate, as Abraham mentioned, in the niche of social media there are many attempting to do the same thing.
Regards, Rick
Whitney
· 1 year ago
It's easy to take a bunch of things going on in emails, different blogs, mull them over and then need to brain dump on your blog. My policy is usually to start out a post with "I was talking to X and this came up...." "I read this post over here, and I wanted to say more "- that way, you are crediting your friends, whether they're online or not, you extend the thought and ideas further, and everyone is happy. Part of it is a timing thing- you say one thing, and within a day or two, someone is repeating the same thing- you get a sense of deja vu when you read their stuff. While imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, there's a line there that is intensely personal about the creative process. I'm sorry this has happened to you, because it doesn't feel great when it happens. Knowing what to do when it happens is even harder. But posts like this, letting everyone know this isn't really okay, helps make it happen a whole lot less frequently. And I imagine any stress over this issue in the past has actually, in the end, made you better and more honest friends. Dealing with tough stuff lets you find out more about a person and their character, and I imagine you handled everything just perfectly.
Don Lafferty
· 1 year ago
The Beatles’ musical influences are well known. In all the interviews they did over the years this was almost always one of the topics that came up. It usually does with everyone who rises to the top of their profession, especially where creativity is concerned.
But what is it about The Beatles that made them iconic?
Originality.
You could argue that The Beatles broke new ground with their work, but they were just putting their spin on the ideas of their influences, Elvis, Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins and others. In fact, part of the process of mutating into their own sound was copying the sounds they liked; covering them.
It took them years of fiddling around with the sounds of their influences before their “overnight” success.
I’d never suggest plagiarism is acceptable, but if a writer is going to be bold enough to sprinkle some threads of original thought in a piece of work bound together by the parallel work of her contemporaries, with acknowledgement where appropriate, I think you can feel secure in the knowledge that the creative process facilitated by public discourse is working the way it always has.
Linda Sherman
· 1 year ago
Chris, You are the kind of guy that can take a sensitive topic like complaining about plagiarism and turn it into a hug by reminding us to give link-love from our blogs. Link-love is certainly something you are a master at. When I do my top sources of inspirations list, you are certainly going to be on it. (uh .... while giving you credit for making the list)
Tom Kephart
· 1 year ago
Loved the Guy Kawasaki story. Guy's written more polished books since, but "The Macintosh Way" is the one I keep near my desk. Still inspires me when I'm stuck with an idea. Even though I'm pretty happy being Tom, I still want to be like Guy.
Rachel Happe
· 1 year ago
As an analyst there is this is the old myth of a facade that somehow we see or know something completely unique. I think most people realize, like you pointed out, that no knowledge comes without inspiration from others. I try on my blog, when I a directly riff, to acknowledge the original inspiration - whether by linking to a blog post or mentioning a book or person. Often however, things get so moshed together in my mind, that it is hard to pinpoint the exact inspiration. My blog roll is a why to acknowledge the people I speak with and read so that in the cases where I may not be able to give exact attribution, I acknowledge those people who influence my thinking.
I've been pleasantly surprised over the years that the majority of people do find a way to acknowledge their influencers and give back to them...as with anything there are a few rotten apples.
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That may not be what happened to you, but it's happened to me before. I once wrote an article that was freakishly similar to the work of someone who I'd never read anything by.
Anyway, just something to keep in mind. Thanks for your blog.
BTW - love the new look!
I am very, very Seth influenced, and probably talk about him/quote him/link to him enough that my readers are thoroughly sick of hearing about it.
Another muse I never talk about (and I should) is my friend Cynthia Heimel, who's a kickass writer who started to influence my voice before I ever met her.
That and every snarky GenX girl on The WELL. We made a ferocious little tribe, back in the day.
and not just with your blog
in all kinds of places
yes yes
sometimes it just happens
etc
kumbya
but if folks think that no one is out there trying to hitch and skip?
that's just silly.
here's where it goes wrong though
when you use a photocopy machine
the image gets less and less quality
so you can cut up parts of something add something new and make it yours
fair
but if you stop adding anything of your own
you'll end up with a shitty watered down version of nothing new
it might look cool when you flash it around quickly and talk it up
but really
it's just a crappy photocopy of other people's stuff
ie.
you suck man
and your cover is blown
or will be
it all comes out in the wash
like a bad stain
At first, this made me angry. But like you, Chris, I calmed down and realized, plagiarism is at heart a form of flattery. It's not noble, but reflects that the idea you created has been adopted by someone else. As naughty and un-nice as may be, it is a mild form of success -- that other minds now are filled with a thought once called your own.
:-)
And Ike, leave Rusty out of this!
At any rate, as Abraham mentioned, in the niche of social media there are many attempting to do the same thing.
Regards,
Rick
Part of it is a timing thing- you say one thing, and within a day or two, someone is repeating the same thing- you get a sense of deja vu when you read their stuff. While imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, there's a line there that is intensely personal about the creative process.
I'm sorry this has happened to you, because it doesn't feel great when it happens. Knowing what to do when it happens is even harder. But posts like this, letting everyone know this isn't really okay, helps make it happen a whole lot less frequently. And I imagine any stress over this issue in the past has actually, in the end, made you better and more honest friends. Dealing with tough stuff lets you find out more about a person and their character, and I imagine you handled everything just perfectly.
But what is it about The Beatles that made them iconic?
Originality.
You could argue that The Beatles broke new ground with their work, but they were just putting their spin on the ideas of their influences, Elvis, Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins and others. In fact, part of the process of mutating into their own sound was copying the sounds they liked; covering them.
It took them years of fiddling around with the sounds of their influences before their “overnight” success.
I’d never suggest plagiarism is acceptable, but if a writer is going to be bold enough to sprinkle some threads of original thought in a piece of work bound together by the parallel work of her contemporaries, with acknowledgement where appropriate, I think you can feel secure in the knowledge that the creative process facilitated by public discourse is working the way it always has.
When I do my top sources of inspirations list, you are certainly going to be on it. (uh .... while giving you credit for making the list)
I've been pleasantly surprised over the years that the majority of people do find a way to acknowledge their influencers and give back to them...as with anything there are a few rotten apples.