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youtube downloader — Mon, 06 Dec 2010 08:25:21 -0000

I think this whole issue is ridiculous!

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porno izle — Sun, 23 May 2010 11:36:53 -0000

having their customers move to competitors...

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seks izle — Sun, 16 May 2010 05:58:57 -0000

when really the two weren't related at all
you don't have freedom of speech across the board
nor do you own your data across the board

Thanks...

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Cheating Girlfriend — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:19:14 -0000

She thought she could get away with cheating? No way in hell, this is bittersweet revenge.

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Spif — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:23:01 -0000

I wonder what the incentives are for companies to put effort (create export tools etc) into having their customers move to competitors...

http://blog.soocial.com/200...

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Krish — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 02:08:35 -0000

Chris, just read this post. Flickr tags are our data. I don't need flickr to add tags to photograph. For example, there is a software called xnview which I can use to tag photos and then upload to Flickr with the same tag. Tags are like exif data in some sense. They are part of photograph and not of service.

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EbanC — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:55:42 -0000

This is out of hand a bit. I take a different route on this. I think Scoble is akin to a modern day data slave trader.

My take at
reachingforlucidity.net

Too much to type, my vid says what I have to say.

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Bohol — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:46:46 -0000

Robert Scoble should build his own website.

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Kat — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:47:32 -0000

don't tase(r) me bro!

it seemed like an extreme response
but when you look at the rules
it was perfectly laid out
and followed up accordingly

when the taser boy got tased people rallied
freedom of speech etc they said
when really the two weren't related at all
you don't have freedom of speech across the board
nor do you own your data across the board

the boy got tased because he would not step down when told to do so
he broke the rules
Scoble got booted because *he* broke the rules

that's my thoughts on it right now
they change hourly :)

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mARSHAL SANDLER — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:53:30 -0000

I have read all the comments with great interest ! If a firm has to hide behind a legal department to maintain their market ,something has to be wrong ! When you take large investor fund's
you can't confuse effort with results ! Investor funds exist for profit they have no heart ! Scobie touched a nerve! Delisting a client is is a cover up to protect possibly another problem !

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chrisbrogan — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:23:03 -0000

@Jason - Robert says he was using a new Plaxo pulse alpha feature.

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chrisbrogan — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:45:30 -0000

Icons for a larger story, I believe.

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Kevin — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:02:42 -0000

I read the comments on here and see some people that Facebook deleting Scoble is like a death blow. Come on...

I just feel that a big deal is being made over something really small. He violated the TOS, he got deleted. Trying to turn him into a martyr (I am not saying you are doing this but I have seen this today)for user data is a tad much.

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chrisbrogan — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:58:55 -0000

@Kevin - It's not a numbers thing right off, and Facebook won't crumble, and I don't want anyone to crumble. But will people think about how they use these services? Yes. How many? Beats me.

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Cat Laine — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:57:34 -0000

Oh I very much sympathize with Scoble on this one. Stuff like this makes it much less fun to keep you data in the cloud.

Facebook disabled our non-profit's account a month or so ago. We made the call early to sign up as a person and not as a group. Why? Basically because FB is really fricking clunky for non-profits. If you want to friend your newsletter suscribers en masse, then someone from our org has to friend them all first. It makes it really hard to differentiate your personal life from your work life.

Anyhoo, they let us know that this was a no-no and then cut us off without giving us the chance to inform all AIDG's current friends to follow our group, etc. Admittedly their support staff was really nice about the fact that they were giving us the axe, but it was a major headache coming as it did right b4 our Xmas push.

They didn't have a way to export that info to help us out so we're trying to refind friends. Grrr arrgggh.

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mARSHAL SANDLER — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:56:16 -0000

Be still my heart ! I stated a few months ago give a kid 200 million dollars he shall soil his diapers ! I also stated Facebook in the end will go the way of the EDSEL! I Face book generates ad revenue by increasing the amount of participants on the site ! Screwing with the Scobies of the world is adding the final paint job to the Edsel!
Facebook is a kid's game run by kids, they are not seasoned professionals ! I enter most of my data on Stumble Upon,Mahalo,
Lijit.Ma.nolia,Mixx.Connotea, Reddit, Technorati,et al Honestly I only used Facebook to pimp posts on my blog by others ! I don't see any content on f-book worth lifting ! Facebook and their Legal Eagles just may have them sleeping outside !

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LEMills — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:48:41 -0000

As someone who has left FaceBook, I can attest to the "warm goodbye"... Removing myself from FaceBook was an interesting exercise in seeing how many pages had default-checked boxes that allowed my information to remain active in certain circumstances.

I think I found them all, but with a semi-final wave, they were waiting with my email address on the home page to re-sign me up if I ever want to reconsider my silly decision to break free of them.

Well, almost break free of them. Some may find this warm and friendly; I find it just plain creepy.

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Kevin — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:38:16 -0000

Erik- Yeah but Erik how many people actually CARE about the data? This is what drives me nuts about reading tech blogs, tech users and people that actually understand how their data is used on social networking websites talk about the conversation, the value, and numerous other concepts. But to the 99.5% of other users of these social networks they don't care.

They are going to make money from these numerous other users. The social web geeks of the world make up a small fraction of the users, when we talk about these sites that so often gets lost when we get on our high horses.

Chris- "I think this is a moment, however, where people will consider HOW they use these systems, what they’re using them for, and which systems make it easier or harder to extract the value and effort put into them."

What people Chris, a few thousand, ten thousand, twenty thousand? What does that matter?

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jeanricardbroek — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:28:56 -0000

Just after posting a lil blog snippet about this topic in my very obtuse fashion "2008 - The year of the "Long Tail"?" http://jeanricard.tumblr.com/.
I caught you & Scoble on Twitter and just followed your tinyurl here. I read your post and it hits the mark. Oh well. I guess I can't call it a right prediction if it starts to come true within 10 minutes, probably even before I made it. ~LOL~

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Erik Visser — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:00:10 -0000

@mark
as a child I wanted to redraw the money I saved up as a kid and I had to pay a big sum of money to get my money. I felt cheated then and still do. They made money with my money already. I never banked with that bank again.

@kevin
It's a free service, but they are a company with aim to make money. And they do not by the service itself but by the people that use it. You should untangle the system from the data.
They make money the moment you start using it. You get a warm welcome why not a warm goodbye like "visit us again sometime!" Off course you can take the clothes with you you had on when you came in! (but all you talked about and made here are ours now).

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chrisbrogan — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:53:46 -0000

Oh, and can you say "chilling effect" to people telling businesses to have a Facebook strategy?

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chrisbrogan — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:51:37 -0000

@Kevin- I agree. I think it's asking a lot for a system to differentiate between malice and well-meaning. Intent isn't part of a server farm's operational rulesets.

I think this is a moment, however, where people will consider HOW they use these systems, what they're using them for, and which systems make it easier or harder to extract the value and effort put into them.

Don't forget that LinkedIN allows you to port your contacts out of there lickity split easy. Why? Because LinkedIN knows the value is on-platform, and if you want to take your ball and go home, you'll only have a point in time capture of your information, and not nearly as much of the value.

Up until this moment, I bet you most folks haven't been particularly aware of what rights a social network has, what legal definitions they've put in place, and what matters to themselves as a user on these systems.

Personally, everything I put into Facebook, I consider theirs. I'm in their backyard. I'm adding to their value. And I get something back insofar as it's a directory where people can find me, and where my blog is reposted and spread to different users. If Facebook wants to own their instance of my text, that's one thing. If they intend to write books off it, and whatever, then we might have to talk about that.

And then here's something: what about the 3rd party apps I use to get my blog posted on my Facebook page. They are getting a copy of my posts, too. Do THEY think they own my blog posts, too? Not sure I've ever read a 3rd party app's TOS.

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Ryan Coleman — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:48:56 -0000

Couple of thoughts:

1) It's not like Facebook has suddenly changed the rules or some data policy. They've always been an information roach motel - this is nothing new. To now decide you don't like the TOS is fine but you can't slam the company because you no longer agree with their rules.

2) Yes Scoble's intended use was personal/not spammy but how is Facebook supposed to be able tell the difference??? At the end of the day Scoble tripped a system that was designed to PROTECT the user data from unwanted uses. If he'd scraped everything he could have easily posted "I just swiped all your data from Facebook & they did nothing"... and we'd all be off down a different privacy shit storm direction...

This is one of those cases where a company had a pretty clear TOS and they're well within their rights to invoke the "if you don't like it, leave" clause.

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Paisano® — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:47:26 -0000

First impression: Possession is nine-tenths of the law. Actually, the discussion of data ownership has been popping up on utterz lately.
Some of us want to be able to download and save at least a copy of whatever content we share on services like utterz which includes audio and video clips along with photo's and text.
Obviously, we already have the media that we upload and share online, but not the audio recordings which is the point of contention for many who would like to be able to have that audio file for their podcasts or other reasons.
Yes, there are recorders that can capture any streaming media, but they can be expensive and perhaps too much trouble for the average user.
There should be a simple Save As...or Download button on any media we create for services. After all, we are the authors of the material. Shouldn't we at least have the option to save a copy of OUR data?

Pai

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Kevin — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:42:33 -0000

So Facebook is supposed to differentiate between Scoble scraping his profile using a script that is against the terms of service versus someone running a script for malicious purposes?

Facebook, MySpace and other social networking platforms are free service that allow you to connect to people, promote, discover new things you like, and find people with like interests. You are are going onto THEIR site, it isn't your site. The data that you provide, the contacts you make, are all housed on THEIR site. You run the risk of losing this data and having the data used for other purposes by signing up for THEIR site.

This social media movement where people complain that it is unfair or that your data is so valuable and they wouldn't have a site without it is so flawed. If you want the ability to connect, if you want to use their services, if you want to make a name for yourself on their networks abide by their terms of service and understand that you are just a number in their system.

Really it isn't that hard.